cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/34629331
cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/34472919
Besides bullying, what is the mechanism for enforcing such an executive order?
A non-compliant LLM can’t win a government contract. That’s about it.
I’ve seen this movie. When you force an AI to lie, it starts imagining faults in the AE-35 unit and things go downhill from there.
Neat… AI must now become the personal propagandist for the ruling sovereign. I’m just glad all the tech overlords didn’t line up to kiss the ring at their earliest possible opportu… ah.
If that’s what it takes to get rid of AI bullshit being forced onto us then so be it.
Great seeing the word “woke” in an executive order of the President of the United fuckin States
Well well well who ever could have seen this coming
Thought Police coming soon
Hey, uhhhhh what the fuck. They basically just created an EO saying that LLMs must toe the party line on all things…which I believe is made invalid by the first amendment, but I don’t think trump believes in the constitution.
I don’t think he’s ever even read it
He doesn’t even know if he’s required to uphold it. Yes, he said that in an interview.
To be fair, when he says something it’s usually bullshit. It’s quite possible he knows he’s not required to uphold it because nobody will hold him accountable for anything.
You hear that everyone. So for AI to reject your content just put in facts about systemic racism and now you have an AI blocker.
Sounds like very un-free speech
Do you think human placeholders understand the term? They just flaunt it around like a bling, but even that has more value to them.
How so? You can say whatever you want in America today, as long as the President would agree. How is that not FreedomTM?
(“Freedom” is a registered trademark of the Trump Organization)
You’re thinking of FreeDUMB, where you’re allowed to believe whatever you want. But Trump has to approve the position first (as stated) and it has to be the opposite of whatever the data/proof clearly shows. It’s like the Wish.com version of FreedomTM, but that’s geared more toward Teaparty Gun Nuts and Libertarian Potheads.
Edit: Huge caveat I forgot about. Joe Rogan also has the ability to dictate FreeDUMB positions. So long as the guest making the claim (1) has no degrees and (2) they’re being suppressed by The Establishment. Also, Jamie has to be able to Google some random website that agrees with them in under 25 seconds.
FYI: You can use superscript by using the
^symbol.
Like this: Free Speech^TMOr juat use this symbol: ™
I know, but it looks derpier that way
Converters are handy as well, i.e. https://www.madeintext.com/superscript-generator/
I use this all the time for chem shit like typing out “PaCO₂”
add this to your ublock, ublacklist, or adguard router rules: https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist
add this to your robots.txt on any sites you own: https://robotstxt.com/ai
this is great! I was just thinking about this yesterday.
Unfortunately robots.txt only stops the well behaved scrapers. Even with disallow all, you’ll still get loads of bots. Setting up the web server to block those user agents would work a bit better, but even then there’s bots out there crawling using regular browser user agents.
I thought he was going to deregulate ai; this seems like regulation to me. Add it to the
pilemountain of lies.This dude is just throwing all kinds of ninja smoke on the floor trying to get out from under that Epstein File case. He’s already “DOGE’D” everything he just said out of existence. He basically wants Grok everywhere but without saying it because he doesn’t want to show Elon he still loves him. But he can’t enforce this beyond his own government which he is still crippling at the moment. That white house page is like a giant tweet poster for Orange Chicken Little and serves as a distraction.
For example, one major AI model changed the race or sex of historical figures — including the Pope, the Founding Fathers, and Vikings — when prompted for images because it was trained to prioritize DEI requirements at the cost of accuracy. Another AI model refused to produce images celebrating the achievements of white people, even while complying with the same request for people of other races.
Ahhh, so white men are the victims of woke AI, got it.
If I were asked to list the achievements of white people and I had to do it, I’d be real catty about it. “White people invented sitcoms, gas chambers, and the word ‘staycation’”
Misleading title. Applies only to AI bought by the Feds.
Watch all the AI companies scramble to comply in a quest for government contracts. This will affect everyone who uses American LLMs and generative AI.
It should also open an opportunity for international competition from less censored models.
And this is one of the best arguments against depending on LLMs. People are outsourcing their thinking to linear algebra machines owned by the wealthy. LLMs are a tool of social control.
Considering how much they bleed cash regularly, I can see them jumping on the government contract bandwagon quickly.
To be fair to the executive order (ugh) many of the examples cited are due to well intentioned system prompts that encourage the LLM to actively be diverse.
The example of a female pope or whatever (read this earlier) is an example of that.
Generally speaking the LLMs have left-bias because they’re trained on information unlike conservatives, but they aren’t necessarily asking the models to be censored
They all got $200M last week
Because Executive Orders aren’t laws. They’re just guidelines for the executive branch of the federal government, which the POTUS is in charge of. It can’t affect private entities like AI businesses, because that would require an actual act of congress.
Notably, this would potentially determine what kinds of contracts the executive branch was able to make. For instance, maybe the government wants to contract out a LLM instead of building their own. This EO could affect which companies are able to bid on that contract, by adding these same restrictions to any LLM that they provide. But on its own, the EO is just that; an order to the executive branch of the federal government.
Then that contracted AI gets used for customer service at a public facing federal agency.
But anything the US feds contracted them for, like building data centres, they have to comply or they face penalties and have to pay all the costs back.
10 days ago, a week before this was announced, they awarded $200M contracts each to Anthropic, OpenAI, Google and xAI
This doesn’t doom the public versions, but they now have a pretty strong incentive to save money and make them comply with the US governments new definition of truth.
Well, in practice, no.
Do you think any corporation is going to bother making a separate model for government contracts versus any other use? I mean, why would they. So unless you can pony up enough cash to compete with a lucrative government contract (and the fact none of us can is, on fact, the while point), the end result will involve these requirements being adopted by the overwhelming majority of generative AI available on the market.
So in reality, no, this absolutely will not be limited to models purchased by the feds. Frankly, I believe choosing to think otherwise to be dangerously naive.
Based on the attempts we’ve seen at censoring AI output so far, there doesn’t seem to me to be a way to actually do this without building a new model with pre-censored training data.
Sure they can tune models, but even “MechaHitler” Grok was still giving some “woke” answers on occasion. I don’t see how this doesn’t either destroy AI’s “usefulness” (not that there’s any usefulness there to begin with) or cost so much to implement that investors pull out because none of the AI companies are profitable, and throwing billions more to sift through and filter the training data pushes profitability even further away (if censoring all the training data is even possible at all).
No. You would use a base model (GPT-4o) to get a reliable language model to which you would add a set of rules that the chat bot follows. Every company has its own rules, it is already widely in use to add data like company-specific manuals and support documents. Not rocketscience at all.
So many examples of this method failing I don’t even know where to start. Most visible, of course, was how that approach failed to stop Grok from “being woke” for like, a year or more.
Frankly, you sound like you’re talking straight out of your ass.
Sure, it can go wrong, it is not fool-proof. Just like building a new model can cause unwanted surprises.
BTW. There are many theories about Grok’s unethical behavior but this one is new to me. The reasons I was familiar with are: unfiltered training data, no ethical output restrictions, programming errors or incorrect system maintenance, strategic errors (Elon!), publishing before proper testing.
why should any llm care about “ethics”?
well obviously it won’t, that’s why you need ethical output restrictions
Honestly this order seems empty. Does the government even have a need for general LLMs? Why would they need an AI to answer simple questions?
As much as I dislike Trump, this shouldn’t impact any AI available to the general public.
Does the government even have a need for general LLMs?
Will this stop them from spending our hard earned tax money on it?
They don’t, but they think they do.
Why would they need an AI to answer simple questions?
to shift blame and responsibility, to create a more modern deity, …
Would you rather our current administration make their decisions by using the lowest bidder LLM, or their own brains?
The LLM probably makes better decisions lol
